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two dogs (67.30.23.126)
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a week or so ,ago, somewhere on this board somebody said something about "por-15"..pretty good stuff,but,,kinda expencive & has a poor shelf life..would anybody be interisted in my formula(no charge) |
adame (129.82.229.195)
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Yes, Two Dogs, I'm all ears. |
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (65.73.229.188)
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I am interested too, but only have two ears...... LOL.
Peter. |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy) (24.196.191.70)
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Absolutely. I just purchased a trailer yesterday to haul my dozer on and it is very rusted and badly in need of a paint job.
Point of interest. I paid $2000 for it. Sales tax in most areas would have been at least 6%,($120) with registration fees depending on the overall weight or weight capacity.
I obtained a class C license plate for $60 and it is a one time fee and there is no weight limitation on it. No sales tax required.
I have to get it inspected anually to see if the lights work. No brake inspection required and inspection is only $12.
First good deal I have ever gotten from a DMV anywhere. LOL
Richard |
two dogs (67.30.23.8)
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here goes...I've been restoring old cars & airplanes & bus stuff for years..(ran a bodyshop)
get a small grinder & knock-off the loose stuff & brush with a wire brush... :
0ne part fiberglass resin...(autozone, etc.)
one part black enamel.......(hardware store)
one part laquer thinner.... (paint supply)
only mix-up what you can brush on in 30 minutes
if it is going to be exposed to the sun..additional coat of paint in three days |
john marbury (Jmarbury) (65.100.118.38)
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Two Dogs,
Do you add the hardener to the resin or use resin without the hardner?
John |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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I'm still tryin to figure out what happens when you mix polyester, oil-based paint and laquer thinner.
POR-15 is (I think) a Phosphoric Acid derivative that converts rust to a ferric phosphate, sealing the metal from further oxidation. Here is a good explanation:
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/aug97/866467542.Ch.r.html
Gary |
two dogs (67.30.23.29)
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it works guys...only drawback ,it needs to be 60 degrees or better..so, get it on before the weather turns sour....DO NOT ADD HARDNER |
Tony (216.207.2.186)
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2dogs
I have worked arround paint all my life and when I mix enamel and laquer thinner the paint will curdel, I have tried It numerus times and its always the same.
Tony |
two dogs (67.30.23.73)
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o.k. Tony ...just give-up |
two dogs (67.30.23.43)
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wow....I just GAVE you guys the formula & all ya' want to do is whine....it works |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Two Dogs--
Really, there's nothing in your formula that can be a rust inhibitor. Tony's remark relates to the fact that the stuff shouldn't even mix up, but even If we grant you that, and you can get this mixture to congeal, the best that you have is a mechanical-bond barrier. Rust will form behind these kinds of barriers, although you can't see it.
POR-15, Phosphoric Acid (Naval Jelly), and any of those are called "Rust Converters" that change Ferric Oxide to ferric phosphate.
Ferric Oxides do not inhibit further oxidization, a ferric phosphate encapsulates the ferrous materials and prevent Oxides from occurring.
There are some new Epoxy based products, like Ameron that use an Epoxy-base Mechanical bond to encapsulate rust, these products are $130/gal.
I have two, very big Steel boats. I've spent more than just a little time on this subject.
Your magic formula falls outside the boundaries of physics.
Gary |
two dogs (67.30.23.117)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 6:01 pm: | |
If you two know so much ,how come Tony can't mix them....how do ya' clean your enamel gun Tony,,,(with lacquer thiner) of course...everybodys an expert....try it on a repair on your steel boat,,,,if it doesn't work...THEN whine & spout big words |
Jack Conrad (Jackconrad) (204.193.117.66)
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Two Dogs,
Do you use polyester or epoxy fiberglass resin? Jack |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Um--two dogs,
You use thinner to clean enamel from your gun BECAUSE they don't mix.
Why would I try a goofy mix up like that on my most prized possesion? There are products on the market that are readily available and are guaranteed to do the job (They're actually amazing).
I'm only responding to your post because I think you're giving bad advice. I KNOW what works, I've spent an enormous amount of time in this exact area of knowledge. Others with less experience might actually try what you're telling them.
As for big words, try small and work your way up.
"Stopping" has two "P"s in it.
Gary |
two dogs 40-110 (67.30.23.111)
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epoxy |
two dogs (67.30.23.111)
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why would I want to give bad information ?
......GARY IS A FAIRY......... |
Johnny (67.241.224.81)
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POR-15 works. Period. In fact, I've used it many times.
Tony is right--enamel & laquer won't mix properly. |
JohnRigby (24.174.235.167)
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I have a real bad place on my 04 rear door that sounds like this would be the perfect repair kit.
Thanks Two Dogs for the fix.
John |
two dogs (67.30.23.113)
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I just did a fellows 4104 tailight houseings with it ..there will be no more rust there...and...am doing it on a 1940 Packard floor...maybe those naasayers are useing house paint..I was talking about enamel,like rust-o-leium... |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)
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YUP 2Dawgs, Gary IS a Fairy... but you've got the wrong Gary!! It ain't Gary McFarland, it's ME
http://www.heartmagic.com
tee hee
hee hee hee @!@@! |
David & Lorna Schinske (Davidschinske) (64.24.236.159)
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Gary (& friends) makes pretty music with cool cover art! My kids came across a pic of one of the album's in "Dancing Dragon" catalog. They didn't believe me when I said "Oh yeah & a busnut too!" Got to get a CD ordered!
Lorna |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (12.213.97.40)
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Well, this conversation has really developed into a mind-expanding discussion.
I belong to several lists related to boating, musclecars, or my bus projects, it never fails that there is some blowhard trying to tell everyone how smart he is. Of course, nobody buys his crap, and he's continually making a fool of himself.
Gary |
Why Not Try (204.184.224.34)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 3:15 pm: | |
Hmmm ... this has been interesting!
Now if the world was just round, and man could fly ... it seems that unless it has been tried, it shouldn't be discounted. |