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dutch (Dutch)
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Username: Dutch
Post Number: 93
Registered: 2-2007
Posted From: 216.9.250.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 10:47 am: | |
That is the question.
I am on i-70 eastbound milemarker 79 towards kansas city and after 300 miles this morning I noticed while I was going 55 miles per hour in 4th gear that I suddenly lost power.
Floored it,,,,no diffference.
Tried to downshift to 3rd,loud noise in the back.
Stopped on the side of the highway.
Checked transmission fluid....1 small drop on.the checkstick.
A lot of whitesmoke and a funny smell comming from the transmission.
Put in 1 gallon of delo 100 straight w40 cf-2. And still no mark on the checkstick.
After I put in the gallon I tried to shift in agear....not possible wouldn't let me.
So now I'm letting thr transmission cool of.
Any ideas and the big question...
How bad is my transmission???
I checked all fluids this morning and all were good |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Username: John_mc9
Post Number: 362
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 66.217.105.77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 11:52 am: | |
Re:
"tried to shift in agear....not possible wouldn't let me. "
Huh? Waddya' mean: "not possible wouldn't let me" ?
Did it grind like hell when you tried? Or is it locked up so you
can't even move the shift shaft? Big dif!
Did you try getting it into gear with the engine off? If so, you can
start it in first, and shift up/down to get it to where you're safe.
Make sure you build air up first, before shutting it down
to get it into gear. You don't want to get rolling without air for brakes.
If the tranny grinds and you can't get it into gear with the engine running,
it's likely the clutch, clutch adjustment, or clutch linkage.
If it simply won't let you move the shifter at all, make sure the
linkage is working front to back. If you can't move the levers
at the tranny itself, with the linkage disconnected, it's likely in the
tranny itself.
If you can put it into gear only while the engine is off, and after
starting it, it still doesn't move... it might be the drive shaft or axle,
or remotely possible... the tranny..
Make sure you block the wheels well, before getting out with
the engine running, while you do all the checking. We'd miss your
highly entertaining //// errrr -intriguing- posts! |
Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
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Username: Oonrahnjay
Post Number: 140
Registered: 8-2004
Posted From: 69.143.43.3
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 12:08 pm: | |
John - MC9 wrote "Did it grind like hell when you tried? Or is it locked up so you can't even move the shift shaft?"
__. I think you're asking the right questions, John, but I'm concerned with the "one drop of oil on the dipstick and a gallon of oil didn't show on the dipstick". Sounds like any work to make it shift is kinda beside the point. |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Username: John_mc9
Post Number: 364
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 66.217.105.77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 12:31 pm: | |
Based on:
"Put in 1 gallon of delo 100 straight w40 cf-2. And still
no mark on the checkstick."
Without meaning to be insulting to Dutch.... I kinda' take
some things explained/described, a little lightly, based on
some past threads..
There's some further testing needed to determine if it's a major
transmission failure, or not... The "lot of whitesmoke and a
funny smell comming from the transmission.", could be from
actually coming from the clutch, or some leak...
Let's see if some of Dutch's further testing isolates the problem... |
dutch (Dutch)
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Username: Dutch
Post Number: 94
Registered: 2-2007
Posted From: 216.9.250.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 12:47 pm: | |
He folks.
I know a newbie can be very entertaining.
Even when I read my previous posts again.
Ha
Anyway
The clutchstick(??!!) Won't let me put it in gear at all.
No grinding sound,,,nothing,I can not move it into second or first.
Also t
After 1 and a half gallon the transmission fluid is completely full again.
I will let the transmission cool of and see from there,maybe that will help |
Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
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Username: Barn_owl
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2006
Posted From: 72.66.165.107
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 12:49 pm: | |
(Message edited by barn_owl on June 10, 2007) |
Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 10-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 12:52 pm: | |
What I was saying above didn’t come out right. Just ignore it. |
dutch (Dutch)
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Username: Dutch
Post Number: 95
Registered: 2-2007
Posted From: 216.9.250.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 2:22 pm: | |
Some more info
I can push the clutchpedal in with no problem.
Just the putting it into first or second won't work(at all) |
Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
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Username: Barn_owl
Post Number: 36
Registered: 10-2006
Posted From: 72.66.165.107
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 3:28 pm: | |
If you did run it out of oil, there is a possibility to limp it to a garage. It would depend on the extent of the damage. We had a motor reducer where I work run for about a year without oil till it locked up. After cooling down and adding oil it has been working for 7 years now. I also have a friend that got his lawn mower home and forgot to put oil in it, locked it up. He added oil and ran it for 5 years before it crapped out. My point is that you might get it going well enough to drive it to a repair facility. Did you get some type of roadside assistance program after the fuel problem you had? As much as you are on the road it would pay for itself in short order. Keep us posted on your progress. I am afraid that if I keep reading about your sagas, I’m going to be afraid to take mine out of the driveway. Whew!...You need to start praying to the Bus Gods. |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Username: John_mc9
Post Number: 365
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 66.217.105.206
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 6:39 pm: | |
Whew....
-"Tried to downshift to 3rd, loud noise in the back.
-Stopped on the side of the highway. "
-"The clutchstick(??!!) Won't let me put it in gear at all.
No grinding sound,,,nothing,I can not move it into second or first. "
So... it lost speed, you tried to shift it, but nothing but a "bang";
you were in neutral and coasted to the side of the road;
you now can't shift into any gear, with or without the engine running...
Yeah.... sure sounds like the tranny. There's a remote possibility
that the reverse solenoid has hung up, or it's jammed between gears
but it'd be -real- remote possibility. (had that happen with a car)
If you can lift the linkage off the transmission and attempt to
move the lever(s) manually, you may be able to totally isolate
it to the tranny gears/shaft being near welded together.
If I still couldn't shift it after it's totally cooled.... I'd call
a wrecker (or ABC bus), and get it fixed. Maybe someone
will chime in now, with a bus garage near your present location.
(I hope?)
There's a Greyhound Station in Kansas City
1101 Troost Ave
Kansas City, MO 64106
(816) 221-2835
They may know of a bus garage near you!
Keep us posted, and this thread alive.. We don't want to see you
left alone out there!
(Hey Laryn..... He doesn't need a "Bus God", he needs a "Bus Exorcist") |
larry currier (Larryc)
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Username: Larryc
Post Number: 123
Registered: 2-2007
Posted From: 64.12.116.203
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 8:51 pm: | |
Lets hope its a clutch, Dutch. Are you going to change it yourself? A clutch smells different than a transmission. Does it smell like friction material or gear oil? Is the clutch inspection hole full of junk? Is the tranny full of junk? |
dutch (Dutch)
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Username: Dutch
Post Number: 96
Registered: 2-2007
Posted From: 216.9.250.61
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 8:59 pm: | |
Thanks for your help john
I just did the mountains around denver and salt lake and driven 5000 miles since the san antonio breakdown.with only 1 minor mistake on my part(had to make it once in my lifetime,,,ran out of diesel!!!)
The mountains were great ,,,took some time getting up and over them but was beautiful.
Anyway back to today.
Ironicly I passed a billboard here in kansas near colby about a allison/detroit garage.
When stranded and on hold for 55!!!minutes with my progressive roadside assistance I called the allison/detroit shop.
They were amazing they told me bring it in today(sunday) and we'll see what we can do. If we can't solve it right away then mondaymorning first thing.
Very nice folks.
I waited for 6 hours for my tow ans now I'm in colby eating chinese and watching the spurs kick some caveliers bu*#
Cold engine,,,,..still not possible to move the clutch in 123 or 4 or reverse.
Grrrrr.
Ps...
I love my bus |
dutch (Dutch)
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Username: Dutch
Post Number: 97
Registered: 2-2007
Posted From: 216.9.250.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 9:06 pm: | |
Larry.
Our posts crossed paths.
Not sure what the smell was.
I assume the transmission because after It stopped I got out of the bus(after 20/30 seconds and went to the back,lots of white smoke from the transmission and the smell.
If it was the clutch wouldn't the smell be gone?? I haven't used the clutch for more than 10 minutes when I started to brake down,,I cruised in neutral for 10 minutes,the smell should be from the transmission right???
The engine ran/runs very very very good. |
Douglas Wotring (Tekebird)
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 71.59.75.212
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 10:26 pm: | |
Damn Dutch....no oil....you could have fried any number of things inside.....good thing it is a manual though....
Likely you spun some bearings....and I guess we will see what else. |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Post Number: 1025
Registered: 12-2000
Posted From: 74.12.83.242
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 10:30 pm: | |
The clutch might be thought of as a clamp that connects and disconnects the engine to the transmission.
If the clamp begins to fail, it slips, which makes massive heat and stink on the way to complete failure.
However, not being able to move the shift lever into the gear positions is not a related symptom, unless some clutch parts made their way into conflict with the gear sets/linkage/shifting mechanism.
And the loss of tranmission lube is a troubling aspect, again, unrelated to a clutch failure. If a hole had been punched in the case, you'd think the fresh lube would have run out on the ground.
good that you are at the drivetrain doctor. Keep a close eye on them, and keep quiet, if it is not too late. Just tell them what you experienced, and keep it at that. Don't introduce anything as probable, let them tell you. You are easy prey, and a too big bill might result if you give them an education into how little you know.
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
Gus Causbie (Gusc)
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Post Number: 370
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 63.97.117.35
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 11:08 pm: | |
Dutch,
That Allison/Detroit shop is truly amazing. I stopped there two years ago on my first bus trip. They stopped a major oil leak on my crankcase vent oil line to the engine governor-oil had completely covered the back of the bus. The young service manager found it in about ten minutes, repaired it in another thirty minutes and let me spend the night at the rear of the shop plugged into his electrical outlet near the training building. Great place!
This happened at eleven PM on a Friday night and he finished it around midnight. The place never closes. |